3. Being late for a weigh in happens and I've been on the bad end of that deal once or twice and fish were never weighed. In my opinion, if the weigh-in process has begun and you are within sight of the ramp (both you seeing everyone and everyone seeing you too) and as long as you are not fishing past the deadline time and are able to meet up with everyone else while the weigh-in is still going on, I'm not against being allowed to weigh in what you have. If you are nowhere to be seen though and you have not contacted anyone saying that you are broken down, then you're disqualified. We do after all have to respect those that did make it back on time.
Just my 2 cents as always!
I hear ya but ,the problem with this is that depending on where you are fishing... in sight can be as little as 25 yards or as mush as 500 yards or more. I know if under your senerio I was 75yards away from the ramp and 2 minutes late but because I was coming around a point blocking me from site I was penalized and then in another tourney a boat was 200 yards away and 2 minutes late but straight out across the lake comming in within sight and allowed to weigh in and count, I would be dissapointed and left with a bad taste in my mouth. It really should not be ambigious. Be at the ramp ( not near it) at 2:00. At 2:01 you are late and minus1lb. 2:02 you are minus 2lbs. Thats how just about every tournament is run.
Just an opinion Rich, thats why I love having these back and fourth conversations and unless someone says something like "What are you a moron?" or something along those lines, it's just open dialogue and nothing wrong with that! It's all good!
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.5 lbs penalty for dead, if it looks small, measure it. We have 2 guys with a clip board, scale, bag, and at the NASH had a board. I pulled 1 out of our well that looked small, we measured and it was good. I was not offended by the call to measure.
.5 lbs penalty for dead, if it looks small, measure it. We have 2 guys with a clip board, scale, bag, and at the NASH had a board. I pulled 1 out of our well that looked small, we measured and it was good. I was not offended by the call to measure.
im 100% on board with what napa said, we are all good people here. i trust everyone to play fair. and the livewell situation....i think everyone does a good/great job with what they have, i have a small 38qt the 25 buck chuck works pissa no need for a 100-1000qt cooler. and chucks crazy lunker tub....thats all i can say hahaha
im 100% on board with what napa said, we are all good people here. i trust everyone to play fair. and the livewell situation....i think everyone does a good/great job with what they have, i have a small 38qt the 25 buck chuck works pissa no need for a 100-1000qt cooler. and chucks crazy lunker tub....thats all i can say hahaha
So lets say you have a day like the winners did last year on Dudley. Do you think a 6 and a 5 and 3 other fish would fit in a 38qt cooler? What would you do? let the 5 and 6lber go? There is a formula for what amount of water per bass is considered "safe" It is 1 gallon of water per 1 lb of bass here is a link. So your 38qt cooler is good for about 9-10 lbs http://assets.espn.go.com/winnercomm/outdoors/bassmaster/pdf/b_con_KeepingBassAlive.pdf
Lots of good info in there.
My point is it is so simple to get and have the proper tools. You would not think of flipping a jig into a tree on 6lb test. Why?because it is inadaquate for the job. So is a 38qt cooler or a rubbermade container for keeping you catch alive AND WELL. It really is science and not opinion
No offense is taking during these conversations. Thats why this is an open forum. Everyone has their own opinion and are free to express it here. I respect everyones opinion whether I agree with it or not.
I obviously here your point and agree about the safety of the fish. But where i think we differ is you are basing your info on fishing a few tourneys ( however many you have attended im not sure). Im simply trying to shed light on the teams and people I have fished in these tournaments for over 3 years with. If you dont know the Landlord, then my God, you need to come more often my friend hahaha, your missing out!!!!! Im just not willing to tell someone that if they can spend $50 to fish on Sundays, they should be able to spend $75 on a cooler. I dont know everyone financial situation, nor do i intend to find out, its not my buisness or anyone else's. Most people fish to get away from reality for a day. Again, just my opinion. $75 could be alot to ask someone to spend on a cooler, it sure is for me!
99% of anyones club rules arent needed here. In my 3+ years, ive yet to see a true controversy that wasnt resolved on the spot in a calm and professional manner. Clubs can have their rules, and they can run their show however they want, but here we have some basic guidelines and rules that everyone is to follow and thats it. I agree basic rules need to be set and i think we have that down and continue to iron out any questions.
I think Ed asked 3 legit questions...They have been answered i believe, and we should move on and enjoy fishing with a great group of guys. Trying to adopt a list of penalities seems to defeat the principals of what Johnny and Smoke have built MAFF on.
Fish hard, laugh, have fun, enjoy everyones company, share stories and have a little competition on Sundays. Thats what MAFF is about. DQ'ing someone for being 1min late or docking them a penalty of 1lb per minute late (without asking what happened first) isnt the direction I see this going. Obviously their are certain circumstances that may result in a DQ, but I have full confidence in the honesty of everyone I have fished with so far. Until im proven wrong, i will remain this way.
As you stated, a 3" thick rule book is not the direction Johnny or Smoke want to go in.
Great discussion, and as noted previous, my tone is 100% calm, not angry or taking shots..Just laying out the core reasons of why MAFF is the greatest. Johnny and Smoke have always made sure of this.
I obviously here your point and agree about the safety of the fish. But where i think we differ is you are basing your info on fishing a few tourneys ( however many you have attended im not sure). Im simply trying to shed light on the teams and people I have fished in these tournaments for over 3 years with. If you dont know the Landlord, then my God, you need to come more often my friend hahaha, your missing out!!!!! Im just not willing to tell someone that if they can spend $50 to fish on Sundays, they should be able to spend $75 on a cooler. I dont know everyone financial situation, nor do i intend to find out, its not my buisness or anyone else's. Most people fish to get away from reality for a day. Again, just my opinion. $75 could be alot to ask someone to spend on a cooler, it sure is for me!
99% of anyones club rules arent needed here. In my 3+ years, ive yet to see a true controversy that wasnt resolved on the spot in a calm and professional manner. Clubs can have their rules, and they can run their show however they want, but here we have some basic guidelines and rules that everyone is to follow and thats it. I agree basic rules need to be set and i think we have that down and continue to iron out any questions.
I think Ed asked 3 legit questions...They have been answered i believe, and we should move on and enjoy fishing with a great group of guys. Trying to adopt a list of penalities seems to defeat the principals of what Johnny and Smoke have built MAFF on.
Fish hard, laugh, have fun, enjoy everyones company, share stories and have a little competition on Sundays. Thats what MAFF is about. DQ'ing someone for being 1min late or docking them a penalty of 1lb per minute late (without asking what happened first) isnt the direction I see this going. Obviously their are certain circumstances that may result in a DQ, but I have full confidence in the honesty of everyone I have fished with so far. Until im proven wrong, i will remain this way.
As you stated, a 3" thick rule book is not the direction Johnny or Smoke want to go in.
Great discussion, and as noted previous, my tone is 100% calm, not angry or taking shots..Just laying out the core reasons of why MAFF is the greatest. Johnny and Smoke have always made sure of this.
Chuck aka the landlord caught the biggest fish MAFF has seen in tournament history and kept it alive in a storage bin....tossing a worm on 6lb test under a tree, in thick weeds hahahhaha
I know this cuz i was in his boat
He also kept the three 6 pounders alive in the same bin. Changed the water often. I dont disagree with wanting people to have the correct setup. The fish's health has to be priority.
last years Dudley results....... http://www.mafishfinder.com/phpBB2/8-14-11-dudley-pond-wayland-cartopper-electric-only-t4821-30.html
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Sometimes it's necessary and sometimes it is not. I'm doing it right now because I am in the process of having an exchange of dialogue and open conversations with others and just flat out feel like quoting. Feel free to skip over the quotes altogether, but I'm not going to "not quote", simply because you say not to and would never think myselfto tell another member how to post and not post. Wouldn't be good forum etiquette.
PEOPLE!! just click post reply at the bottom left if you want to comment! You don't need to click "quote" and repeat every 150 sentence line of the previous entry!
Sometimes it's necessary and sometimes it is not. I'm doing it right now because I am in the process of having an exchange of dialogue and open conversations with others and just flat out feel like quoting. Feel free to skip over the quotes altogether, but I'm not going to "not quote", simply because you say not to and would never think myselfto tell another member how to post and not post. Wouldn't be good forum etiquette.
I only just perfected the quote and am using it in response to anything remotely directed at me. no offense
Guys,
I am going to give my opinion on these issues and take them however you'd like. I ran a fairly large tournament trail in MA/NH for 6 years. Averaged anywhere from 15-30. The more rules that were incorporated, the more headaches there were...just my opinion. That trail is now gone. i have seen clubs crumble and cease to exist because of the constant talk of more rules. If it were me, keep it light...
Dead fish- .50lbs easy decision. if its dead, theres a penalty.
Short fish- There were a couple of instances at the Nashua River where we courtesy measured a couple of fish, 2 made it, 1 didnt. As the director, it took 3 seconds to determine if the fish was legal. i think if someone has a short fish, they lose the fish, they dont get DQ'ed. Most tournment trails allow for a courtesy measure.
Being Late- about 70% of the field was between 1-2 minutes late at the Nashua River tournament. This needs to be addressed but its a very simple solution. Prior to launch, the director calls out the official time from his cell phone and says everyone must be off plane, not fishing within a set area by 2pm. If anyone is late, 1lb per minute penalty, no exceptions.
This is a good bunch of guys. i just hate to see it brought to a level of the clubs (which i no longer fish because i couldnt take the crap) and believe it or not, with between 15-20 boats showing up for every tournament, it's one of the most successful trails in the state. I say leave it as is, add these 3 additional rules and be done with it. There will always be some people who will try and turn a $50 MAFF into the Bassmaster Classic with rules if they have the opportunity and the group of guys and the tournament format is what draws me to these tournaments. Thanks guys...
Jay
I am going to give my opinion on these issues and take them however you'd like. I ran a fairly large tournament trail in MA/NH for 6 years. Averaged anywhere from 15-30. The more rules that were incorporated, the more headaches there were...just my opinion. That trail is now gone. i have seen clubs crumble and cease to exist because of the constant talk of more rules. If it were me, keep it light...
Dead fish- .50lbs easy decision. if its dead, theres a penalty.
Short fish- There were a couple of instances at the Nashua River where we courtesy measured a couple of fish, 2 made it, 1 didnt. As the director, it took 3 seconds to determine if the fish was legal. i think if someone has a short fish, they lose the fish, they dont get DQ'ed. Most tournment trails allow for a courtesy measure.
Being Late- about 70% of the field was between 1-2 minutes late at the Nashua River tournament. This needs to be addressed but its a very simple solution. Prior to launch, the director calls out the official time from his cell phone and says everyone must be off plane, not fishing within a set area by 2pm. If anyone is late, 1lb per minute penalty, no exceptions.
This is a good bunch of guys. i just hate to see it brought to a level of the clubs (which i no longer fish because i couldnt take the crap) and believe it or not, with between 15-20 boats showing up for every tournament, it's one of the most successful trails in the state. I say leave it as is, add these 3 additional rules and be done with it. There will always be some people who will try and turn a $50 MAFF into the Bassmaster Classic with rules if they have the opportunity and the group of guys and the tournament format is what draws me to these tournaments. Thanks guys...
Jay
I've never used any treatment. I do the frozen water bottles though. I've never had any issues.
Oh ya...I'd probably DQ myself before anyone even thought of saying it. You know if I were late. I was almost panicking at Boon because I was further away from the weigh in than I thought. I made it with 5 minutes to spare but was already preparing myself for a penalty or worse DQ'ing a 6 pounder. It was bad time management on my part and I was prepared to pay the consequences. I'm 100% sure I would have been harder on myself than any of you guys would have been. Integrity seems to be a common denominator around here.
Oh ya...I'd probably DQ myself before anyone even thought of saying it. You know if I were late. I was almost panicking at Boon because I was further away from the weigh in than I thought. I made it with 5 minutes to spare but was already preparing myself for a penalty or worse DQ'ing a 6 pounder. It was bad time management on my part and I was prepared to pay the consequences. I'm 100% sure I would have been harder on myself than any of you guys would have been. Integrity seems to be a common denominator around here.
There is nothiong I can say or do if you choose to ignore what science and decades of experience from Biologists say.
The rubbermaid is probably better then a 38q ( or whatever inadaquate size) cooler because it holds more water. Water can be changed without constantly removing the fish from the cooler.
What would the bigmouths do if they caught those same three 6lbers and only had a 38qt cooler? There is NO WAY 2 fish, let alone 3 are going to fit in something that small.
Napa we all know in NOvember/December that there is going to be a tournament trail the following year. Guys putting $15 a month aside for the 5 months in the off season gets them the right tool. You can probably pick one up at a yard sale in your neighborhood for $20.
There should never be a heated argument at a ramp between contestants for any reason but at Norton there were "whispers" going around about how a short fish made it to the weigh in.
IN any event I have been a part of, it is up to the fisherman to come to the tourney director and say....." I have a close fish, can I have a curtisy measure?" It is never up to the tourney director to look at what a guy puts in the basket and have to ask himself that a fish be measured. If you put your fish in the basket and do not ask for a curtisy measure because one is that close and it turns out a fish is short you lose that fish plus a penalty for putting a short fish in to be weighed. Otherwise what does anyone have to lose? Fisherman X "yeah it's close I will just try and get it weighed in and see what happenes"
The Nasua river is a perfect example where not having a rule set in stone can cause problems. Boat A can be chugging it back late but not fishing coming up river. Boat B can be chugging it back late but fliping and pitching along the way coming down river, get an extra 10-20 casts in,pop a nice fish that they can cull with and have now altered their weight AFTER the tourney is over. If you guys are all for a relaxed rule on that then what is the cut off number where it is not accepable? Is 3 minutes late it? 5? 10? I don't know but if 70% of the field showed up late...... there is a problem. Here is what I have noticed just this season.
Norton: short fish being weighed in
Attitash: Multiple dead fish at the ranp
Nasua: 70% of the field late.
I dont know. Sounds to me like some tightening up could be needed.
The rubbermaid is probably better then a 38q ( or whatever inadaquate size) cooler because it holds more water. Water can be changed without constantly removing the fish from the cooler.
What would the bigmouths do if they caught those same three 6lbers and only had a 38qt cooler? There is NO WAY 2 fish, let alone 3 are going to fit in something that small.
Napa we all know in NOvember/December that there is going to be a tournament trail the following year. Guys putting $15 a month aside for the 5 months in the off season gets them the right tool. You can probably pick one up at a yard sale in your neighborhood for $20.
There should never be a heated argument at a ramp between contestants for any reason but at Norton there were "whispers" going around about how a short fish made it to the weigh in.
IN any event I have been a part of, it is up to the fisherman to come to the tourney director and say....." I have a close fish, can I have a curtisy measure?" It is never up to the tourney director to look at what a guy puts in the basket and have to ask himself that a fish be measured. If you put your fish in the basket and do not ask for a curtisy measure because one is that close and it turns out a fish is short you lose that fish plus a penalty for putting a short fish in to be weighed. Otherwise what does anyone have to lose? Fisherman X "yeah it's close I will just try and get it weighed in and see what happenes"
The Nasua river is a perfect example where not having a rule set in stone can cause problems. Boat A can be chugging it back late but not fishing coming up river. Boat B can be chugging it back late but fliping and pitching along the way coming down river, get an extra 10-20 casts in,pop a nice fish that they can cull with and have now altered their weight AFTER the tourney is over. If you guys are all for a relaxed rule on that then what is the cut off number where it is not accepable? Is 3 minutes late it? 5? 10? I don't know but if 70% of the field showed up late...... there is a problem. Here is what I have noticed just this season.
Norton: short fish being weighed in
Attitash: Multiple dead fish at the ranp
Nasua: 70% of the field late.
I dont know. Sounds to me like some tightening up could be needed.