Shawn i was waiting for you to chime in.
Yes true if a fish gets a craw off a jig or a creature bait off a hook but those chances are slim to none when people fish senkos wacky style there is a good chance of them ripping right off. And i never said im too good of a fisherman to use a senko because im not a good fisherman by anymeans. But i like to go out and better myself when i do fish. I enjoy going out and catching fish with different techniques and learning fish patterns. Which in my opinion your not doing while fishing a senko. Again this is how i feel no one said you have to agree with me its a public board that you asked why people hate them.
P.s. Stratos's fav thing to fish besides shiners is a senko
Haha
Yes true if a fish gets a craw off a jig or a creature bait off a hook but those chances are slim to none when people fish senkos wacky style there is a good chance of them ripping right off. And i never said im too good of a fisherman to use a senko because im not a good fisherman by anymeans. But i like to go out and better myself when i do fish. I enjoy going out and catching fish with different techniques and learning fish patterns. Which in my opinion your not doing while fishing a senko. Again this is how i feel no one said you have to agree with me its a public board that you asked why people hate them.
P.s. Stratos's fav thing to fish besides shiners is a senko
Haha
Anthony,
The senko is probably THE BEST lure to catch fish, Bar none. Nothing works better day in and day out. However I stand by my statement that you learn NOTHING when using them. You have to ask yourself what your goal is. Is it just to catch fish or is it to catch fish and LEARN and IMPROVE as a fisherman. if your goal is to catch fish then by all means buy lots of senkos and use them as often as possible. if you hope to become a better all around bass fisherman, leave them at home.
I also agree with Kizel. I belonged to a couple bass clubs several years back. The clubs had 16-20 guys. There were a handful of guys that no matter where or when a tournament was held, they were near the top of the leader board. They were the most consistent, well rounded anglers. Then you had guys who sometimes did well and sometimes did poorly. These were the 1 dimensional fishermen. If the spinnerbait bite was on, the guy who threw spinnerbaits a lot would do well, if the crankbait bite was hot, the guy who liked to throw crankbaits would do well. If they were hitting top water the guy who always threw top water would be among the leaders. Then you had a group of guys who were either beginners or did not put the time in necessary to improve and get better and they were consistently near the bottom of the standings.... Then 1 year the SENKO came out. Guys bought it and everyone caught fish. But something happened. Now the guys who did well sometimes and the guys who almost never did well were doing well a LOT more. Guys who never caught a limit were coming in with limits almost every time. Did these guys all of a sudden become better bass fishermen or did the bait they were using make them better? It was 100% the bait. Those same guys would still struggle in early spring and late fall tournaments when the senko is not as effective or when the fish were not shallow of in a negative mood. But that group of well rounded anglers would be able to put the senko down, pick up a jig, carolina rig, a drop shot or a texas rig and put a pattern together and remain consistent. When you would ask these guys... how did you get them they would answer "senko" 100% of the time.
The senko is not a "bad" bait. It's a great bait but it does slow your learning curve. My goal as a fisherman is to learn as much about as many techniques as I can and go out and use them. Part of what I love about bass fishing is going out and getting them on a jig one day then on another day getting them on a spinnerbait or a jerkbait and yes some days relying on a senko
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The senko is probably THE BEST lure to catch fish, Bar none. Nothing works better day in and day out. However I stand by my statement that you learn NOTHING when using them. You have to ask yourself what your goal is. Is it just to catch fish or is it to catch fish and LEARN and IMPROVE as a fisherman. if your goal is to catch fish then by all means buy lots of senkos and use them as often as possible. if you hope to become a better all around bass fisherman, leave them at home.
I also agree with Kizel. I belonged to a couple bass clubs several years back. The clubs had 16-20 guys. There were a handful of guys that no matter where or when a tournament was held, they were near the top of the leader board. They were the most consistent, well rounded anglers. Then you had guys who sometimes did well and sometimes did poorly. These were the 1 dimensional fishermen. If the spinnerbait bite was on, the guy who threw spinnerbaits a lot would do well, if the crankbait bite was hot, the guy who liked to throw crankbaits would do well. If they were hitting top water the guy who always threw top water would be among the leaders. Then you had a group of guys who were either beginners or did not put the time in necessary to improve and get better and they were consistently near the bottom of the standings.... Then 1 year the SENKO came out. Guys bought it and everyone caught fish. But something happened. Now the guys who did well sometimes and the guys who almost never did well were doing well a LOT more. Guys who never caught a limit were coming in with limits almost every time. Did these guys all of a sudden become better bass fishermen or did the bait they were using make them better? It was 100% the bait. Those same guys would still struggle in early spring and late fall tournaments when the senko is not as effective or when the fish were not shallow of in a negative mood. But that group of well rounded anglers would be able to put the senko down, pick up a jig, carolina rig, a drop shot or a texas rig and put a pattern together and remain consistent. When you would ask these guys... how did you get them they would answer "senko" 100% of the time.
The senko is not a "bad" bait. It's a great bait but it does slow your learning curve. My goal as a fisherman is to learn as much about as many techniques as I can and go out and use them. Part of what I love about bass fishing is going out and getting them on a jig one day then on another day getting them on a spinnerbait or a jerkbait and yes some days relying on a senko
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The senko is not a "bad" bait. It's a great bait but it does slow your learning curve. My goal as a fisherman is to learn as much about as many techniques as I can and go out and use them. Part of what I love about bass fishing is going out and getting them on a jig one day then on another day getting them on a spinnerbait or a jerkbait and yes some days relying on a senko-Stratos
This is why I don't use the senko or any replicas. Sam is one of those guys that's all about the pattern and I can't tell you how awesome it is to see them come together. My mind isn't as analytical as his so it's harder for me to put together a pattern. As much as I like to crank and buzz I've gotten better at a couple of other things to become more well rounded.
This is why I don't use the senko or any replicas. Sam is one of those guys that's all about the pattern and I can't tell you how awesome it is to see them come together. My mind isn't as analytical as his so it's harder for me to put together a pattern. As much as I like to crank and buzz I've gotten better at a couple of other things to become more well rounded.
Maybe my point came across a little harsh, It seemed from your original posts that the " Senko " was such a bad thing for bass fishing . My view is that if it catches fish use it all the time. I just watched an FLW youtube , which was won by fishing Senkos. Its a great bait esp. from the shoreline where I am stuck for now.
I also stand by my statement that senkos kill A LOT of bass, more then any other bait out there. Maybe more then all other combined. Its the fact that you are slack line fishing and you almost never feel the bass take the bait, combine that with a high salt content bait and it is a recipe for gut hooking. Guys could reduce mortality if the crushed the barbs on their hooks but almost none do for fear of losing fish.
I hate to admit it but stratos makes some good points. Also you won't be catching many fish at deep water places slingin garys to the shallow bank. They have a time and place like everything else but if you're looking to become a better angler and more versatile you can't just rely on them.
i consider myself not a newbie , but not a guy that does tournys every weekend either . So my opinion is in those based around my exp
to me senkos or wacky rigged worms do work in given situation , for me this year the few times i have used i have landed smaller 1-2lb fish . The thing i dont like is using a circle hook getting it buried in the fish , not only a pain to get out but like stratos said you could end up killing the fish by gutting them. Setting the hook with braid and senkos with slack line
When i go out dont get me wrong i wanna catch fish , but i would rather see a bass crush a frog top water or a mouse , use a jig,crank bait ect . Than wacky rig a senko just my opinion
to me senkos or wacky rigged worms do work in given situation , for me this year the few times i have used i have landed smaller 1-2lb fish . The thing i dont like is using a circle hook getting it buried in the fish , not only a pain to get out but like stratos said you could end up killing the fish by gutting them. Setting the hook with braid and senkos with slack line
When i go out dont get me wrong i wanna catch fish , but i would rather see a bass crush a frog top water or a mouse , use a jig,crank bait ect . Than wacky rig a senko just my opinion
"kills' fish" -
One of the reasons I don't use Senko's, but I do have them in my box. I almost exclusively use spinner and buzz, once in a great while a crank, but I have never killed a bass. I was lucky enough a few posts ago to actually save a bass that is described in this thread, the Senko was stuck and I was meticulous enough to not hook and kill the bass on extraction. If I ever do make a tough hook, I just cut it, it's worth buying another spinner at $5 over killing/harming the bass. Then again, I'm completely recreational in regards to fishing and just enjoy the time with the kids.
***Dead 2lber last week floating in Attitash for this reason***
One of the reasons I don't use Senko's, but I do have them in my box. I almost exclusively use spinner and buzz, once in a great while a crank, but I have never killed a bass. I was lucky enough a few posts ago to actually save a bass that is described in this thread, the Senko was stuck and I was meticulous enough to not hook and kill the bass on extraction. If I ever do make a tough hook, I just cut it, it's worth buying another spinner at $5 over killing/harming the bass. Then again, I'm completely recreational in regards to fishing and just enjoy the time with the kids.
***Dead 2lber last week floating in Attitash for this reason***
Most guys on here I'm pretty sure are just average, recreational anglers just looking to catch a few fish. Myself included. If you have a bait that works for you, why would you not use it? Because you need to switch it up in order to become a better and more well rounded angler? Nonsense! My major dislike of SSB's (soft stickbaits) is the tearing off the hook by panfish and being shaken off by larger fish. But that will happen with most plastic baits. The SSB's aren't the culprit that's killing the bass, the tourneys do a hell of a lot more carnage!
Here's my two cents: I think the Senko, or any soft plastic stick bait for that matter, are excellent baits. They work. There's no getting around that. I'll admit that I toss them a lot more than I probably should, whether it's wacky rigged or texas rigged. With that being said I have NEVER killed a fish using one of these baits. I can count on one hand the number of gut hooks that have occurred with them over the past 2 years or so. It's tough to put down a lure that works like many of the guys have already said but conversely using only one lure does not make you a well rounded angler. That is why I have been expanding my arsenal and tactics by using chatterbaits, jigs, and spinners etc. I might not catch as many fish this way but I find it more fun and it gives me more tools for success. Once I get better with these lures I expect my average bag size and potential lunker size increase, perhaps greatly increase. For example I'm going on a week long fishing trip to a lake that averages 25' in depth. A wacky rigged senko is not going to work that great due to the depth. Because of that I'll be using heavier jigs and cranks and thankfully I have a decent idea of how to use them. Last year I struggled on this lake and by the time I figured out the problem it was a little late and that exemplifies the reason to have more tools and tricks in your box than just different colored senkos.
Also using live bait is definitely way more "cheap" or "easy" than a senko hahaha c'mon let's be real here
Also using live bait is definitely way more "cheap" or "easy" than a senko hahaha c'mon let's be real here
All good reason and opinions about sencos in here the main thing is they do catch fish. I don't rely on senco to catch fish but I must admit I have one tied on all the time. For me its jigs, jigs and more jigs spinner bait and crank bait. In my modest opinion a senco is a good follow up bait if you miss on a jig or spinner or whatever you are tossing throw a senco in there. Try as many techniques as you can get confident with 3 or 4 of them but keep a senco near by.
It doesn't make you a bad fisherman just a wiser one.
Only my opinion .
Good luck
It doesn't make you a bad fisherman just a wiser one.
Only my opinion .
Good luck
i consider myself not a newbie , but not a guy that does tournys every weekend either . So my opinion is in those based around my exp
to me senkos or wacky rigged worms do work in given situation , for me this year the few times i have used i have landed smaller 1-2lb fish . The thing i dont like is using a circle hook getting it buried in the fish , not only a pain to get out but like stratos said you could end up killing the fish by gutting them. Setting the hook with braid and senkos with slack line
When i go out dont get me wrong i wanna catch fish , but i would rather see a bass crush a frog top water or a mouse , use a jig,crank bait ect . Than wacky rig a senko just my opinion
You're thinking of an octopus hook. A circle hook may be one of the bast ways not to gut hook a fish.
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As a seasoned senko or immitation senko fisherman. Basicly senkos are what gave me bass fever. They r a good starting point to catch fish for kids easy to learn and alaways catch fish. Should always crush barbs even the best fisherman in real windy conditions may miss subtle bites. I have since moved on to other lures. I find I have less time to fish and don't have the patience for senkos. Cover more ground with cranks. Trying to figure out jigs but all I seem to catch is bottom with them. Still looking for my first jig fish. I will still pull out a senko to pitch under trees for I am less angry if I get hung up with them.