Why the video is "downside"? Do i have to disguise the fact when I post a thread? What if I kept them all and show them on my kitchen table? Is that a legal problem with that? The bottom line is, instead of looking for a needle I will have my needle handy when I go deep fishing. I had no intention to keep them in livewell. I want to experience if releasing immediately will spook the rest fish or not.

bloomagoo

Great thread on the downside of posting videos

But it has provided an interesting discussion about equalizing swim bladders, something I would have not known about.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:18 pm

The guys here that fish tourneys "sometimes" leave dead fish behind too, by similarly overstuffing their live-wells, or not taking care, etc. You're no different, except I've never seen them say stop bitching or indicate they didn't care that they made a mistake.....but maybe that's just the way it came across, contributing to it just getting blown out of proportion.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:29 pm

To me these comments are bitching. Using your standard and make a judgement on someone else is wrong. Guys fishing trout and releasing trout, for god sake, you shouldn't even touch a trout if you plan to release them. They have to be in the net and keep wet all the time. For the fish lover, you shouldn't even hook a fish because they do feel the pain. For tournament fisherman, yup, you should all do fishless paper tournament. Leave the fish in small live well until weight in is a not right. Oh, wait second, let's take few pictures of that fish...Dude, you leave fish out of water for too long! You see, I can piss everyone off by using my so called "standard".

stevelibs

The guys here that fish tourneys "sometimes" leave dead fish behind too, by similarly overstuffing their live-wells, or not taking care, etc. You're no different, except I've never seen them say stop bitching or indicate they didn't care that they made a mistake.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:41 pm

willy68

haha, we didn't catch a lot either. We took home couple floating smallmouth and two white perch. I have given my effort to the smallmouth. My hands were numb in frigid water giving oxygen swim. You worry too much, there are plenty of them in the lake. I don't feel bad as long as I don't have the motivation to meat fish them. What if I kept them all for meat? I have the rights to do so, right? So, please , everyone's standard is different. Don't put your standard on someone else and make a judgement.

tunameltdown

Good fish, shame many of them died.



Very simply stated my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
If you want to keep your 5 smallmouth for dinner, have at, it's your privilege.
If you're going to continue fishing deep water for smallmouth and want them to have a chance at survival, try venting (Fizzing) them, if you do not have a venting tool you can try burping them by rubbing or gently squeezing their belly to allow air to escape the air bladder.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:44 pm

as I said, this is not my first time fish them deep. I always drop them back. They were fine. I couldn't seem to continuously catch them in the same spot. Some local advised me not to drop them back immediately because it went to the same spot and spook the rest of fish. This is a theory。 I just made an experiment, that's all. As I said, I have given my effort but didn't work out. What's the big problem here? Do i look like a bass meat fisherman to you?


tunameltdown

willy68

haha, we didn't catch a lot either. We took home couple floating smallmouth and two white perch. I have given my effort to the smallmouth. My hands were numb in frigid water giving oxygen swim. You worry too much, there are plenty of them in the lake. I don't feel bad as long as I don't have the motivation to meat fish them. What if I kept them all for meat? I have the rights to do so, right? So, please , everyone's standard is different. Don't put your standard on someone else and make a judgement.

tunameltdown

Good fish, shame many of them died.



Very simply stated my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
If you want to keep your 5 smallmouth for dinner, have at, it's your privilege.
If you're going to continue fishing deep water for smallmouth and want them to have a chance at survival, try venting (Fizzing) them, or you can try burping them by rubbing or gently squeezing their belly to allow air to escape the air bladder.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:49 pm

This post agitated few people on this board.

1. I do understand to deflate the swim bladder for deep fish. I have a long needle in my boat. I couldn't find it when I release them. I don't use it under normal circumstance. I found my needle when I got home.I used a straighten out paper clip. It is difficult to punch in but at least I tried.

2. I netted back floating smallie and spent minutes in frigid water tried to save them but it didn't worked out. Instead leave them floating on the lake I took them home. That's something I don't like to do. I am not a meat fisherman.

3. For fun fishing, 99% of the time I throw one back immediately. Occasionally I keep a nice one in the livewell if I catch a second nice one I would have a nice double fish picture.

4. I kept them in livewell this time is simply out of curiosity, an experiment. I caught them here and there in the deep spot but couldn't seems catch them in a consistency manner. Last couple time some local did pretty gold job at catching them. I saw them kept in the livewell first then release them somewhere else. It is a theory not spooking the rest of fish. I just want to try it to see if it is true. It didn't work. Perhaps I was catching sporadic fish.

5. I shouldn't be accused or criticized for any wrong doing. Just like the rest of you, I don't like to see them dead. I have given my efforts. What else you want me to do? It was just couple fish. It was not a massive killing. So, please chill out.


Everyone has his own fishing standard and fishing morality. I don't abuse fish. I don't like keep game fish. I have all the good intention to catch-photo-release. That's all folks. Move on.

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:47 pm

Id be happy to show you how to properly vent a fish. You can also spray some fish attractant on the fish when you do an immediate release as some believe this will prevent the pheromones from being detected by other smallies in the schools?? I have caught 50-100 fish doing immediate release , and I have seen schools shut off by losing 1 fish being reeled up, so who knows whats right.
The difference between your legal limit and wonton waste by releasing fish to die, is one is legal and the other is illegal for starters. Secondly as a supposed sportsman, I would think you be looking out for the interest of the fish. Third if you think you are handling the fish properly, you have alot to learn!! Thats not an opinion. I have hung around tourneys picking up floaters and deflating them several times over the years. I have caught thousands of deep winter smallies, and hundreds of largies and spotted basss, handling them properly is important is the bottom line. Done bitching Willy, hopefuly next trip you get ona good pile and they all swim away healthy upon release!!

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:04 pm

haha, I don't know if I handle fish poorly than those pros on TV. These are bass and they are tough fish. Under normal circumstance you are worry to much. In previous trips I released them immediately and there was no problem floating back. This time the water was much colder and their body were stiff. My mistake was I didn't have the needle ready even though that tiny thing was on my boat. Don't make mistake about I waste anything. I took home fish that have no chance to survive. You can't go too extreme about this. If you do, put down your rod and reel forever.

rad64

Id be happy to show you how to properly vent a fish. You can also spray some fish attractant on the fish when you do an immediate release as some believe this will prevent the pheromones from being detected by other smallies in the schools?? I have caught 50-100 fish doing immediate release , and I have seen schools shut off by losing 1 fish being reeled up, so who knows whats right.
The difference between your legal limit and wonton waste by releasing fish to die, is one is legal and the other is illegal for starters. Secondly as a supposed sportsman, I would think you be looking out for the interest of the fish. Third if you think you are handling the fish properly, you have alot to learn!! Thats not an opinion. I have hung around tourneys picking up floaters and deflating them several times over the years. I have caught thousands of deep winter smallies, and hundreds of largies and spotted basss, handling them properly is important is the bottom line. Done bitching Willy, hopefuly next trip you get ona good pile and they all swim away healthy upon release!!

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:16 pm

Im not going to voice an opinion on whether what you did was right, wrong or indifferent. I will say that you made a post on a public forum for people to view and comment on. Everything cannot always be praise. if people like your trip they can say so, if people find fault in what you did, they can say that too. If all we could do is post positive replies.... what's the point?

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:46 pm

Can I be the first one to say that everything was Rich's fault?

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:10 pm

samf

Can I be the first one to say that everything was Rich's fault?



BINGO

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:11 pm

samf

Can I be the first one to say that everything was Rich's fault?



I was hiding in his livewell with an air compessor

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:25 pm

stratos1966

samf

Can I be the first one to say that everything was Rich's fault?



I was hiding in his livewell with an air compessor



You mean they were fish and not balloons? Laughing

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:39 pm

I understand your comment. Some people don't understand me. I don't like people acting like God behind keyboard. I am not a perfect man, way too far from being perfect. If you want teach me something, let's teach me in person. LOL.

stratos1966

Im not going to voice an opinion on whether what you did was right, wrong or indifferent. I will say that you made a post on a public forum for people to view and comment on. Everything cannot always be praise. if people like your trip they can say so, if people find fault in what you did, they can say that too. If all we could do is post positive replies.... what's the point?

Posted Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:42 pm

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